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Topic subjectFish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
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260, Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Wed Aug-18-04 02:01 PM
This is the Fish Arrow Flat Jack, same company that makes the Monster Jack. It's about 4 or 5" long and is apparently something of a waking surface bait without a lip. I checked it out but haven't seen it swim in the water. Tacklewarehouse has them in stock in 5 colors.



Optimum T's Refrex has been around for a while and Tacklewarehouse has them now in 3 colors. The bass color is pretty nice looking.

279, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Thu Sep-09-04 03:38 PM
Has anyone tried the Flat Jack? TW ran out before I could order one, was wondering how the bait moves in the water and what kind of action ir produces.

Thanks,
280, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Mon Sep-13-04 02:11 PM
look like they are back in stock now. I saw the bait, but have not seen it in the water. I think it may fish like a spittin' image on the surface, but I'm not sure. If you get one, give us an update on how it fishes :)
281, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Mon Sep-13-04 02:37 PM
Thanks for the heads up Rob, i just called TW and ordered one in the Silver Ayu color. I'll give it a try this weekend and see if it produces, i'll shoot some MPEG video of it and send it to you so that you can check out the action.

Take care and as always thanks for the valuable information that you put out in your site.

Juancho.
295, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Fri Oct-01-04 09:42 AM
Hey Juan, did you ever get a chance to throw the bait around? Just curious to hear some feedback.

-Rob
297, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Fri Oct-01-04 10:50 AM
Hi Rob,

Have not had the chance, I had two of my cars stolen a couple of weeks ago in Mexico so i've been tied up with all the red tape in retrieving them from TJ, luckily they were both found and in pretty good shape. I have not touched the water in a month now, my fingers are starting to curl up so i need to desperately get on the water. Tomorrow i'll be heading offshore for some of those yellowfins and dorados and hopefully next week my truck will be ready and i can tow my boat. As soon as i get on the water i'll shoot some video and i'll send it. I hope you are nailing some hogs up there and talk to you soon.

Take care.
298, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Fri Oct-01-04 10:54 AM
oh man, that's a huge bummer x(. Sorry to hear that. Good luck with the offshore action, and I hope you get back out there soon for the bass.

-Rob
354, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Mon Nov-29-04 04:10 PM
Hi Rob,

Well i finally got a chance to try out that Flat Jack swimbait, it is basically a topwater bait that walks the dog, i like it because it is real easy to work and also because it does catch fish, nothing huge yet but it did produce a 5 and 6 2 weeks ago. I didn't have the camera with me so no Video yet, this Sunday i'll be on the water again and i'll make sure i bring it. This bait would probably be also good as a dead stick bait, as it stands in the water just like a normal bluegill would and it moves with the current real well.

I just ordered a "Real California" from Lucky Craft and also a Dagored from Jackall Bros. from Tackle Warehouse they look nice so we'll see how the action is and if they produce next weekend.

Hope your catching some hawgs up there, take care and talk to you soon.

Juancho.
355, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Mon Nov-29-04 04:25 PM
Cool - very cool - thanks for the update on the baits. A topwater that actually looks like a bluegill - imagine that :) Sounds good to me.
360, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by Lightninrod, Tue Nov-30-04 02:12 PM
Juan: Do you know what hooks it has on it?

Dan
361, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Tue Nov-30-04 02:54 PM
Hi Dan,

I believe they are Gamakatsu round bend's, i have the box at home so i can't confirm for sure but i seem to recall seeing the Gamakatsu logo on the box. Great bait so far, no monsters yet, but it should be just a matter of time. I will be going to Lake El Salto in Mexico the second week of January, apparently the bait resembles the Tilapia that they have over there so we'll see how it produces. I will post a report when i get back.

Good Luck.
362, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Tue Nov-30-04 02:59 PM
That bait should be sweet at el salto. In the morning and evening there's a billion tilapia that get pushed up on the shore by the bass. Toss that thing right up on the shore by any kind of cover and twitch twitch in place. booooosh. have fun :)
363, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Tue Nov-30-04 03:01 PM
Hey Rob,

Have you been there? This is my first trip so any tips you can offer would be great.

Thanks,
364, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Tue Nov-30-04 03:16 PM
Here's my report from when I went there:

http://www.calfishing.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=5&topic_id=1841&mesg_id=1841&listing_type=search

There's a pic of a tilapia on there that I snagged under the boat dock so I could get a pic of it. There's jillions of those things in there. They just look like bluegill basically.

As far as tips go, the main tip is - get a guide who is good on that lake. I assume you speak spanish so language won't be an issue. We had a hard time communicating with our guide because he didn't speak any english at all. I speak some spanish but not enough to really communicate about fishing.

When we were there it seemed like there were two main patterns, either right on the shore fishing in cuts and around patches of hyacinth with topwaters, or out in the creek channels dragging plastic like worms or 7" senkos. Now I hear a lot of talk about 5" storm swimbaits producing there and it's obvious why with all the tilapia. If I were to go back, I'd be chucking 5 and 6" big hammers in the creek channels and around the wood. I'd probably fish 12" worms more, and of course look for the shallow topwater type bite in the shade pockets and in the evening. Those fish on the shallow stuff will eat the 9" Slammer for sure, you just gotta be on the right water where the big bass are at. The Slammer bite for me was all about casting the bait within 6" of the shore or the cover and then twitching it down like a rapala. Most of the bites, you'd twitch it down under the surface and it just wouldn't come back up. The water is so warm there that the fish just hold super tight to the cover by the shore.

Anyway, it's a big lake, tons of cover, tons of places to fish. So getting near the bigger fish is step 1.
365, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by JUANCHO, Tue Nov-30-04 04:02 PM
Thanks a million Rob, that post really provided me with some insight as to what to expect. The baits you mention are the ones that I had already picked out for the trip, the only item i am missing is 12" worms, i have a bunch of 10" Power Worms and Gulp Worms that i purchased for the night tournaments this past season but i don't have any 12 inchers, do you have any particular brand in mind?

On another topic Rob, i received an email today from ABT lures, i actually purchased a couple of those Gladiator baits from them a while back so i guess my name was trown in their mailing list. Anyway they have a new bait out, it's called the Titan http://www.abtlures.com/titans/index.htm have you seen it? what do you think? I remember there were some issues with durability and the overall quality of the components on the Gladiator bait but this one looks a little bit better and obviously the price is not bad.

Take care and as always thanks for the valuable information.
367, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by swimbait, Tue Nov-30-04 05:07 PM
I dunno about worms, the ones I mostly use are some handpour worms I got just for El Salto - which ironically I didn't catch any fish on while I was there lol. Make sure you bring the big worm weights like 3/4 and 1oz for fishing deep on heavy line.

I saw that new ABT bait, I don't know what to say about it really. I'm not a huge fan of all these lures with no tails. Like look at this picture and tell me what is missing?



All these lures I'm sure will catch fish, I just get more confidence if my lure really looks like what it's supposed to be imitating. I know someone will come and say that one of these tail-less baits is their favorite bait and it's the best ever, but I just think there's other baits that are more realistic and have great action too.
371, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by Lightninrod, Thu Dec-09-04 01:52 PM
Got my http://www.f150online.com/galleries/pictureview.cfm?pnum=108428&anum=3723 Flat Jack today.

And yes, it has Gammy hooks.

Dan
372, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by SWMB8R, Thu Dec-09-04 02:51 PM
You forgot to mention tons of Gill Nets. x(

I got bit well on larger rattle traps in the creek channels. As far as the guides go... don't be afraid to take over the boat. I didn't do it until half way throught the trip. We started catching bigger fish deeper than what they wanted to fish.

I would definitely take a mess of 5 & 6 inch Hammers and storms.
373, RE: Fish Arrow Flat Jack & Optimum T's Refrex
Posted by Lightninrod, Sun Dec-12-04 07:58 AM
I threw my Flat Jack yesterday but no t/w bite. I really like its 'action'; very subtle, quiet-like movement which seem's more natural to me than so many of the larger t/w swimbaits. It 'stands' in the water with at least 1/2 its body out of the water. I do wonder if a Bluegill sit's with its 'eyes' out of the water though?

Here are 3 BassI caught yesterday that totaled a little over 13 lbs togeather:

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/pictureview.cfm?pnum=108549&anum=3723

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/pictureview.cfm?pnum=108542&anum=3723

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/pictureview.cfm?pnum=108546&anum=3723

And, here is my Flat Jack Bluegill:

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/pictureview.cfm?pnum=108428&anum=3723

Dan