UMAX-CO was at the show and I did pick up an osprey talon. They look good in the water. Pretty much neutrally bouyant and the run about 2 to 3 feet deep. I have heard that with the thin wire between the hook and the eye, it is quite easy to rip the whole hook harness part out of the bait after only a few fish. BUT, I would say that they look death in the water and have accounted for some big Casitas fish lately.