thanks richie. i tried to duplicate your efforts, and try to flip out that 12lber you had last time but i fell a bit short..... great job to all who suffered through the heat. i got on to the flip bite first thing and had 3 nice ones before sun up. so i stuck it out and flipped my azz off all day. thanks for the spot BENNO, got a sweet keeper there. other than that the rest came off pretty much the same stretch of about 20 yrds of tules through-out the day. i exhausted 3 packs of the oxblood sweet beaver, 2 packs of double-wide oxblood beavers and 1 pack of the oxblood innovation tube baits, the beavers evil step child..... first time using their tube... i highly suggest it. about 1230 pm i met up with mr sweatt at the damm and tried a little drop shottin. bill said to quit the finessing and go back to flippin..... thanks for the advice homie. 2:00 pm came around and thats when i flipped out the 5.2- something to finish out the day. thanks to everyone, mr nunez.... way to go dude,your a good learner.... as for you Carson... you scare me! lol .your a good stick, keep it up.... mr joe C thanks for showing me the 4 eyes secret tip }( dave S your always the man. lastly thanks SCOTTIE BEAM for the fun fishing on sat at clear lake we sleighed dude ! :+ thats it. see ya all in the dark at clearlake ..... Deren