Let the smack talking begin!I would like to talk some smack also but I do believe in the karma thing, so I`ll let my fishing do the talking.Thanks for the info Andy,I guess I`ll hit the grove Saturday morning.Any idea of the size of the fish and what Jay was using?I know Scott had to be soaking the senko.Anyway for anybody who wants to go for a few hours Saturday morning ,I`ll be at the grove rain or shine.cya Bill