finger 2,

My best advice for you is to buy or find good priced quality tools. I've been tying for nearly 8 or 9 years now, and I can tell you that buying a starter kit is fine only if your tying is only going to last a couple of months. They are fine for starting out but the tools they give you are usually crap. :( Cabelas,Orvis, L.L. Bean & many others sell kits both w/ & w/o tools. My advice is to buy the material kit w/o the tools & then buy the tools seperately. Buy a good vice; you don't need a $200 vice for tying, just a sturdy one that won't wear out easily & has jaws that won't get all screwed up with hard use. Last year I bought the Danvise type from Orvis, works great & not too bad on the pricing; you can probably find a good vice like it or suiting the above needs for somewhere between $50-$70. You can buy the rest such as scissors, bobbins, bodkins, etc. for somewhere around $30 dollars. I know this is expensive sounding but it pays back later in dividends because you won't have to replace the tools later on 'cause you kit tools are all screwy!
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