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swimbaitFri Oct-19-12 10:14 AM
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#12108, "No World Record on the A-rig"


  

          

How do you guys feel about the fact that IGFA isn't allowing world record catches on the A-rig even where legal?

I'm conflicted on this...

On the one hand the a-rig takes some of the skill out of fishing. On the other hand you can get the world record fishing a live bluegill in Japan, which to my mind takes even less skill.

  

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LakeFri Oct-19-12 10:39 AM
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#12109, "RE: No World Record on the A-rig"
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Puzzling. National Game and Fish departments consider it legal in some form or another. IGFA must not see it as a legal way to catch bass. I seriously doubt a WR would be caught on this but, if it were I would expect an outcry from the public.

Me personally I could care less since I don't believe this is some magic lure and don't believe it is the type of lure a WR record will be caught on. I say this and now watch me catch a WR on it and fight light hell :P

  

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jigndoublewideSat Oct-20-12 07:51 PM
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#12111, "RE: No World Record on the A-rig"
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I feel like if you ban on /not honor records/etc. with alabama/umbrella rigs you should not honor records caught on chemically sharpened hooks. They are a much bigger advantage than any multi lure system and greatly improves a-rigs and any other lure.

Could you imagine fishing a jig with those old bronze hooks?

A lot of my jig fish are double pinned, meaning the 5/0 or 6/0 gamakatsu jig hook goes through the jaw bone, comes out, then goes back through the jaw. The fish can never throw the hook even if I just free spooled them. I have trouble getting the hooks out. I say this is unfair and if I catch a record it should be disallowed!

When people say how bad they are for fish I laugh.
The a-rig has been out a year, how long have chemically sharpened hooks been available to ravage bass with? Which will cause more damaged to fish long term(in terms of fish caught and landed not actually killing fish)?

Then when everyone is done banning super, sticky sharp hooks why not ban all swimbaits that are too realistic. No more hudds, 3:16, etc. not even basstrix baits they also are too realistic. Only skinny dipper like baits are allowed.

The a-rig is not as realistic as the big swimbaits but no one is banning those top shelf swimbaits from tournaments or igfa.

I think all the hype with the arigs really just gave it a bad reputation as some super bait. Its a rigging style nothing more.

You give a weightless-senko-chucking casual bass fisherman a medlock jig and let him loose on some grass and tules. Then give the same medlock jig and trailer to say Brandon medlock. Who catches more and bigger bass? Medlock is just a recent example of this that I am using the same can be said for butch brown and a hudd and a million other examples.

Lures are just lures, it takes a real good angler to make it deadly.

They might as well start banning the best fishermen.

I don't even fish alabama rigs and I word vomited here but I do not like the slippery slope of banning rigging styles or lures and feel very strongly about this.

Also the whole "its multiple lures only one lure is tradition in tournaments".What has caught more fish and more bigger fish, a jig or a-rig?

But how can a jig outfish an a-rig? it only has one lure how can it be a magic bait? oh wait...


  

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jigndoublewideMon Oct-22-12 01:48 PM
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#12112, "RE: No World Record on the A-rig"
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How does an a-rig take the skill out of fishing? It is not that realistic, has bunch of hardware etc, I think reeling hudds is a lot easier and flipping jigs is easier too.

A-rigs are definitely not a better bait than a Huddleston Deluxe, should we ban hudds? They give everyone a shot at giant fish, a much more detrimental lure to big fish populations mainly because someone lands their pb on a hudd and drags it all around the lake, leaves it in the livewell too long, mounts it, whatever. I have seen photos of big bass on the a-rig but nothing like the hudd.

Back to the skill discussion I am sure you and most people have tried live lining live bait of some sort, it is tough to fish, bluegills are even tougher to fish!

When I throw swimbaits I am in control and run it through the best water available multiple casts on each spot and then at different angles on the same spot. When flipping jigs I am putting that jig in the best possible places every time.

With live bait, especially bluegill, they run around, out of the prime spots, don't stay in the good spots long, die, etc.

If you weight the fish with sinkers or something then it looks dumb. Possibly Manabu figured out a better way to fish them, but I seriously doubt it. Drop shot rigs with a gill works but not as well as a hudd.

Someone will bring up the whole chumming of bluegill attack, saying that is cheap or not fair. Not only is it legal but read between the lines, THAT WORLD RECORD FISH WOULD NOT BITE THE REAL DEAL, A BLUEGILL, WITHOUT BEING CONDITIONED TO EAT IT, THROUGH CHUMMING.How hard is that to get bit when you have what a bass would naturally eat right in front of the fish and it will not eat. That does not seem like a zero skill deal to me!

Live bait is not an easy way to catch big bass, I also think it is the worst way to catch big fish, except for a few special cases. Think about the time you spend to anchor, double anchor, rig bait, change bait, get the bait, keep it alive, keep it fresh, wait for it to swim in a good spot, pull up the anchors move to your other spot, re-rig, wait again, you get the point.

That is a lot of time to spend when spring is relatively a short window to catch the big ones. It is a waste and your better off swimbaiting and jig fishing.

I think the two toughest ways to catch bass is livebait and sightfishing for bass on beds. They take the most time( how long on average do you bedfisherman spend looking for beds then trying to get that fish to bite?) of any other method, are the least inefficient.

Sight fishing for bedding bass and live lining are truly art forms. Swimbaits and jigs are not only easier but get a ton of big fish.

DISCLAIMER:
I do not fish with livebait, the few times I did I never caught anything. I do not sight fish for nesters. The few times I sight fished for bedding bass I did not catch anything, even the few fish that were big that I saw.
I strictly fish jigs and swimbaits.

  

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