cool, you called me a extreme radical environmentalist LMAO.

It sounds like we disagree about the definition of pain. That's fair enough. I know fish feel something when I stick them on my jig. I know they don't like it either because they start going nuts, and because they get smarter and smarter the more times you stick them. Personally, whether they feel pain or not is irrelevant to me because I'm going to keep fishing and keep sticking them. What gives me peace of mind is that when I release a fish, I know it's going to live and be just fine. And of course if I want to keep an ocean fish or a trout, that doesn't bother me one bit either. :P