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jigndoublewideThu Dec-20-12 02:07 PM
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#12144, "RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered"
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>Nice input Jigndoublewide.
>
>To answer your question about the exploitation, I would say it
>is probably not a huge impact. Wester diet has left the
>minnow family in the dust really, leaving only asian markets.
>And really, they can often get carp, goldifsh, carpxgoldfish
>hybrids, blackfish, splittail and others for cheaper. Only
>3-4 commercial licenses are issued for the harvest of minnow -
>mainly the Sacramento blackfish, and Hitch are required to be
>released now.
>
>
>

How big a factor is the "summer" roads that are bulldozed up almost like a dam? How prevalent is stream pumping and stream bed gravel mining?

I don't understand how the dfg writes a relatively long report about hitch where they make overtones to killing bass and I assume they will be doing costly evaluations of clear lake and it's hitch, when it seems like any decline of hitch or extinction of the clear lake hitch sub species is from commercial abuse of the clear lake resource.

Before anymore money is spent evaluating anything, put a bunch of restrictions on those activities and wait to see what happens.

Whether it is fish markets or gravel companies or water trucks. It is that mentality of taking from a resource until that resource is depleted and then moving on to the next best resource, and begin exploiting that one. Commercial fisherman complaining about oil spills and other environmental roles really annoys me because if the fish/shrimp/crabs did not die from the oil they would just have been raped by the fishermen, the only reason the commercial guys are complaining is because it is hurting their bottom line.

I actually think shocking bass and killing/relocating them is a good idea for the trophy fishery but they want to do it for the hitch, which Swimbait already said is not actually a help since tourney anglers camp over hitch schools and move the bass to weigh-ins, hindering hitch predation.

Killing one species to help another one is inherently wrong for a variety of reasons. Ryan/MB said that you cannot take enough of any species out to make a noticeable difference, like must kill pike fishing or striper fishing. Sets a bad precedent to solve all your problems by killing fish, like say killing bass because it is affecting native trout in some lakes, or a bunch of other fish because something is eating them. Diminishes biomass in the lakes or rivers. Diminishes certain fisheries, tougher to catch 3-7lb bass in clearlake when a bunch are taken out.

Promotes over harvesting even if it is deemed "bad", can be carried over to other species like put and mandatory take of trout, the trout anglers also keep whatever else they catch like say 18 pound bass, bluegill, etc. I am sure all of you have seen big bass harvested by trout fishermen because that is what they instinctively do from catching stockers their whole lives.

And a whole lot more

  

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Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered [View all] , swimbait, Mon Dec-10-12 03:35 PM
  RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 12th 2012, #1
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, swimbait, Dec 12th 2012, #2
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, jigndoublewide, Dec 12th 2012, #3
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 12th 2012, #4
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, SLM, Dec 15th 2012, #10
      RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 15th 2012, #11
           RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, SLM, Dec 15th 2012, #13
           RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 16th 2012, #14
           RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, Urban, Dec 17th 2012, #15
                RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 17th 2012, #16
                RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, SLM, Dec 17th 2012, #17
                     RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 17th 2012, #18
                          RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, SLM, Dec 17th 2012, #19
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, swimbait, Dec 13th 2012, #5
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 14th 2012, #6
      RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, swimbait, Dec 14th 2012, #7
           RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 14th 2012, #8
                RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, jigndoublewide, Dec 15th 2012, #9
                     RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Dec 15th 2012, #12
                          RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, jigndoublewide, Dec 20th 2012 #20
                               RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, dockboy, Jan 11th 2013, #21
                                    RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, MountainBass, Jan 11th 2013, #22
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, swimbait, Apr 08th 2013, #23
RE: Declaring Clear Lake Hitch Threatened or Endangered, swimbait, Apr 24th 2013, #24

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