Hey Guy..Kelly here.. Rather than me rehashing something I wrote about a while ago ...go to the archive page in this board on page 29 the topic was shore fishing for bass...Check it out and get back to me with any particulars. Strangely enough I've done well with salt and pepper worms on Castaic for years,or smoke and blue flake...usually main lake stuff in the ski arm...If there is a hellashious wind I crank the island area of the ski arm on the windy side with db3 size cranks extremely shallow...Later