Great points Rob. When I was keeping my logs it was 95% night fishing at small ponds. There was definatley certain conditions and patterns I found but the moon phase was the least important. I was very suprised whan I made my chart comparring moon phases. i though for sure it would be the dominating factor especialy at night. At night the most important was the temp and the timing. The temp dictated which baits/depth and the timing dictated when during the night the fish would go off. I definatly think keeping logs could be very valuable. I am just soo bad at this. I honestly dont even keep count of how many big bass I have caught. I realy should but i kinda feel its a little late now. I know guys like Mike Long have very detailed logs and pictures to go with them. Not to mention he has a network of skilled guys to compare notes with. He just about has them dialed in before he even gets to the lake. As far as 10,000 hrs that sound about right. I have spent about 20 years fishing San Diego bay hard with a group of guys and we are extremly competetive. I probably put in close to that many hours not to mention comparring results with my "team" At this point I feel I dont need notes or logs, I just kinda know where and how to get the bay bass. I wish I was that good in the freash water. Maybe if I wasnt soo lazy and kept logs I could be. Right now I rely on, on the water observations combined with past experiences. Sometimes it takes me a while to get on fish though. I think all the log info would definatley cut down on the "looking" time. Dang I might have to start doing them again. Thanks alot ROB!!! x(