Thanks guys! I knew it was bigger than my 8.25 and considerably smaller than my 11.9. As for not having a scale, my old one got rusty and is useless. I haven't had the $ to buy a new one because I've been spending what little I can on other things like the rod I was using, hardware for new plugs, the Charlie SR I lost last week, etc. Damn this is an expensive obsession. (Notice I didn't call it a hobby, because you don't reschedule dinner time, lose sleep, or eat cheaper for a hobby.) Tight lines, Wade PS I just keep telling myself "I'm not addicted. I'm not addicted! I'm not addicted!! I'm not addicted!!!). :+