Does anyone know what's going on with this:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081111/news_1s11outdoors.html

Bunch of frog loving BS is what it is :+

Good news is once it's sorted out it will not effect all of the Socal areas getting trout, just the 'sensitive ' ones..

" To reduce the impact of the Department’s delay, the Center and Pacific Rivers Council asked for interim restrictions on stocking, including not stocking in areas where sensitive species such as California golden trout, Santa Ana sucker, mountain yellow-legged frog, and Cascades frog, are known to be present or where the Department has yet to survey. Judge Patrick Marlette stated in a tentative order that such interim measures may be necessary, but gave the Department until November 24th to negotiate an agreement with the two organizations to determine where stocking could take place pending completion of the EIR. If no agreement is reached, the Judge indicated that he would consider limiting stocking only to water bodies where no at-risk species occur on an interim basis, as proposed by petitioners "

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/n...1-11-2008.html

I wonder how this affects / would affect the AB7 hatchery bill?

More info on the DFG site:
http://dfg.ca.gov/news/news08/08124.html

To all fishermen:
The recent suspension of fish planting is real and dangerous. The DFG has been sued by Stanford Law students representing and environmentalist group. While it may appear that our lakes might be safe, we cannot take a chance. All must take part and write the DFG in support of the fish stocking program. Here is the Email address :dfghatcheryeir@dfg.ca.gov Without trout plants swimbait fishing is done! we must do whatever is necessary to ward off the continue attacks by environmentalist groups. They seek to put DFG in a position to comply with the long expensive task of completing a EIR study, with hopes that the department will not have the resources to comply with the court mandated task. This in turn allows them to completly stop trout planting. They do this with all types of sportsmens activities. On this subject we must all unite. Please take the time to write the DFG by monday.

Thanks for your time,
DT
PS. Swimbait I sent you and email. x(

lol.

http://www.calfishing.com/gallery/v/members/bigreenjobass/

>To all fishermen:
>The recent suspension of fish planting is real and dangerous.
>The DFG has been sued by Stanford Law students representing
>and environmentalist group. While it may appear that our
>lakes might be safe, we cannot take a chance. All must take
>part and write the DFG in support of the fish stocking
>program. Here is the Email address :dfghatcheryeir@dfg.ca.gov
>Without trout plants swimbait fishing is done! we must do
>whatever is necessary to ward off the continue attacks by
>environmentalist groups. They seek to put DFG in a position
>to comply with the long expensive task of completing a EIR
>study, with hopes that the department will not have the
>resources to comply with the court mandated task. This in
>turn allows them to completly stop trout planting. They do
>this with all types of sportsmens activities. On this subject
>we must all unite. Please take the time to write the DFG by
>monday.
>
>Thanks for your time,
>DT
>PS. Swimbait I sent you and email. x(


"Without trout plants swimbait fishing is done!"

Done as in "over" or "no more" ?

I started a multi-million dollar swimbait industry here in Japan, and we have no trout plants. We seem to do OK.
Whatever transpires, I think my Cali hardcore swimbait fisherman friends will be OK too.

Just reporting the facts, once again.


:-)

"Known as the person who introduced swimbait fishing to Japan"

Capt. G,

What exactly are these fish going to eat to reach the size that we in cali are looking for?

Just looking for the facts, because obviously you know!

>Capt. G,
>
>What exactly are these fish going to eat to reach the size
>that we in cali are looking for?
>
>Just looking for the facts, because obviously you know!


How about the Delta. No trout plants (to my knowledge), and plenty of big fish. Stripers get pretty big there too, without a diet of trout.
How about that place called "Clear Lake". Fish do pretty well there with a diet of hitch, and crawfish.
Read Bill Murphy's book and you will find that 20 lb. bass have been caught at San Diego Lakes, ones that do not receive trout plants.
There are some ponds in Orange County that Mickey (from 316 Lures) took me to that are loaded with frogs, and crayfish, and bass over 10 are caught from time to time.
When I fished with Mr. Bob Crupi, at Casitas, he told me that crayfish, rich in protein, are a major reason why the bass there get so big, which is why he focuses on a crawfish pattern (both live bait and jigs). So the big bass will not all die of malnutrition at Casitas, and I will still target them on swimbaits, just as I do in the summer, when there are no trout plants.
Did you know there are a 10 inch specie of shad in Lake Perris? Mike Long and Mike Gash do, and showed me some amazing tactics using big wood swimbaits working the "Shad Pattern). Most of my bass over ten pounds at Perris are caught on 12 inch swimbaits, not　rainbow trout color, fishing the shad pattern.
The list goes on and on.
So with a little study and water time, I am sure you and all the others that enjoy swimbait fishing as much as I do, will adapt, and do just fine.
Thinking outside the swimbait box is OK!:-(

"Known as the person who introduced swimbait fishing to Japan"

Look, Being proactive and supporting our DFG must happen. If we do not pay attention as a collective group to things that happen in courtrooms, we will pay the price with the continued infringment upon our sport. That's all. Your points are well taken. My counterpoints are this: Small ponds with 10 pounders? Ok, put a bass in a tank and feed it daily with some other source of food where it has to expend no energy, and yes it will get big. How big? really big. Look at castaic lagoon, tons of trout, small and confined area, and short fat bombs living there. Casitas used to got double trout plants, for a while there we started to see the return of the bomb. A lot of fish in the 14 pound range. Trout plants stop, and now we get the same length fish, but skinny as hell. You feel sorry for the fish. There is a ton of 8-10 pound fish there, but the big ones just can't compete with the athletic fish. Can a fish get to be in the 18-20 pound range by eating crawdads? maybe. But the better bet is feed it a ton of protein rich BIG farm fish that swim nice and slow and have no fins. Look at castaic, once know as the lake that would produce the next record. Then the introduction of the stripers, and now good luck. Striper fishing is awesome though. When the trout plants start coming and those big fish key in on them, fun times! Clear lake is stuffed with a ton of other food sources that allow the bass to get big. The lakes that recieve trout plants? They will suffer. What else is there? Your points about mike long and mike gash. Good for them, I respect what they have done. They are innovators and deserve the credit. You use a 12inch swimbait? that's a bomb! how heavy is that thing? Is it hard to cast? I think that would be awesome to use something that big. Seems like it would scare the fish. That's it. Good luck there in Japan and good job spreading the word.

>Look, Being proactive and supporting our DFG must happen.
>If we do not pay attention as a collective group to things
>that happen in courtrooms, we will pay the price with the
>continued infringment upon our sport. That's all. Your
>points are well taken. My counterpoints are this: Small
>ponds with 10 pounders? Ok, put a bass in a tank and feed it
>daily with some other source of food where it has to expend no
>energy, and yes it will get big. How big? really big. Look
>at castaic lagoon, tons of trout, small and confined area, and
>short fat bombs living there. Casitas used to got double
>trout plants, for a while there we started to see the return
>of the bomb. A lot of fish in the 14 pound range. Trout
>plants stop, and now we get the same length fish, but skinny
>as hell. You feel sorry for the fish. There is a ton of 8-10
>pound fish there, but the big ones just can't compete with the
>athletic fish. Can a fish get to be in the 18-20 pound range
>by eating crawdads? maybe. But the better bet is feed it a
>ton of protein rich BIG farm fish that swim nice and slow and
>have no fins. Look at castaic, once know as the lake that
>would produce the next record. Then the introduction of the
>stripers, and now good luck. Striper fishing is awesome
>though. When the trout plants start coming and those big fish
>key in on them, fun times! Clear lake is stuffed with a ton
>of other food sources that allow the bass to get big. The
>lakes that recieve trout plants? They will suffer. What else
>is there? Your points about mike long and mike gash. Good
>for them, I respect what they have done. They are innovators
>and deserve the credit. You use a 12inch swimbait? that's a
>bomb! how heavy is that thing? Is it hard to cast? I think
>that would be awesome to use something that big. Seems like
>it would scare the fish. That's it. Good luck there in Japan
>and good job spreading the word.
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Just so I am not misunderstood, and getting back to the original point, "Swimbait fishing is NOT over" if trout plants stop.
I was trying to put up some positive comments and possibly help some to at least think outside the box, that may benefit their swimbait experience.
There are so many patterns that do not have much or anything to do with trout plants. The Slammer night pattern; cast it out and reel back slowly, and wait for the noise (strike). That works great, even at places where there is not a trout to be found.

For the old school guys, 12 inches is not considered "huge"; I fish mostly 10, 12, and 15 inch baits in Cali, with my go-to bait a 12 inch, or "Medium" size. I fish with guys that fish much larger baits than me, and am often teased for using "girl" size lures.

The lure stuck in the fish's mouth in the pic is a 12 inch Rago GenTrout, in Midnight Shad (all black, w/red eye) color. Lure weight? I drilled holes and put two tungsten weights in the head, to get it to sink fast, so I was probably at about 9 oz., fairly easy to cast on one of my swimbait rods (8 1/2 feet, 7XH). I make two swimbait rods heaver than that one, a 10 XH, and a Unrated Heavy, which can handle swimbaits up to one kilo (2.20lbs). I have sold these rods in Japan for the past eight years; recently in the USA there has been several small companies that make rods to throw similar size lures.

About the attached photo: This photo was taken during a photo shoot for a national Japanese fishing magazine (notice the water caught falling from my hands and the fish) using camera equipment not familiar to me. The fish looks a lot bigger than it is, but is still one of my fav photos taken during my 8 years of working with the magazines. The certified weight of the fish was 12.70 lbs.

As Forest Gump would say "And that is all I got to say about that"
Good fishing to you all.







http://www.calfishing.com/dc/user_files/7062-Dsc04314.jpg

"Known as the person who introduced swimbait fishing to Japan"

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Capt G:
Thanks for the clarification. I hope that I am not misunderstood either. I don't want the trout plants to end. But if they do, then I am sure we will all adapt, but swimbait fishing will not be the same. That is one beautiful fish there! looks like a short fat bomb! That's the kind of fish we all look for. No net? man those hooks are sharp so I always stay away from them with a good net. I've been fishing with the Gloomis 957C. Which I am told can handle 10-12 oz baits. Who makes a big bait like that? What about the old hudd deluxe superbow? Can you still find those? Does rago make a large bait? I saw the stocker trout comes in black now. That's the bait I've been fishing and it has produced very well for me. But I would like to venture into larger baits. Thanks, and I am sorry if I offended you, none was meant.

I came across this article from a local news channel.




http://cbs5.com/local/trout.stocking.limit.2.870339.html

This issue has been brewing for at least 8 years that I know of. Im not certain if this is the heart of the issue but Im fairly certain it is. I used to work where some of my co-workers were looking at the effects to native amphibians in high elevation lakes from stocked trout. These were lakes that did not have native trout populations, but were being stocked by DFG via airplane. It was a huge issue for many people.

Sounds to me like the high mountain lake concern has trickled down to include rivers as well. I havent been able to find any in-depth article explaining the issue in full so I havent got a complete grasp of whats going on just yet. Does anybody have a link for a more informative explanation of the issue?

This is the link to the petitioners, or the group who sued DFG. This looks to be the agreement that has been reached and should be submitted to the judge for approval tomorrow. www.pacrivers.org. Looks as though our mainmade lakes and reservoirs are safe for the time being.

Lakes on the list of "No trout plants until 2010" include:

Coyote
Lafayette
San Pablo
Loch Lomond
Lexington
Hennessey
Alpine
Bon Tempe

and many many more

Read the list here:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/stocking/WillNotBeStocked.pdf

The notion that stocked trout are damaging native amphibian populations at these lakes is so absurd and beyond comprehension that it just makes me ill. What is next, the systematic destruction of all bass, catfish, crappie, and bluegill?

Maybe we should shoot blue herons and night egrets by helicopter because they are known to eat frogs as well? Better start poisoning the local populations of water snakes and otters while they are at it.

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Ok so the DFG will not be stocking trout at Pablo and Lafayette but those lakes supplement the DFG plants with their own. Does this mean they can not plant trout at all or just DFG will not be stocking?

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Pretending to be a swimbait fisherman since 2001.