THERE IS GOING TO BE A GREAT FISHING TACKLE SWAP-MEET AT BOB SANDS FISHING TACKLE,COME PICK UP SOME GREAT BARGAINS
IT WILL BE FROM 6:30AM TO 10:00AM


6743 SEPULVEDA BLVD.
VAN NUYS, 91411

Hey bud,
You posted these same posts earlier and I deleted them. Why are you posting again? You emailed me via the contact form asking why I deleted them but didn't leave your full email address so that I could respond to your email. Have a look at the description of this forum and think about whether it's appropriate to show up and post what is obviously a blatant advertisement? If you were a reugular contributor to the forum and wanted to post about an event that everyone might be interested in ( such as the Mike Long seminar ) I would understand. But the only reason you are posting is to try to get more people to come to your swap meet so you can make more money. This forum is not here for those purposes.

The freshwater board is for fishing reports, tackle questions, stories, pictures, advice, and information on freshwater fishing anywhere in California. Post a report, ask a question, get an answer, meet other anglers and hook up for fishing trips.

This post will self destruct at the end of the day.

Right On Rob!!!

Hey Swimbait:

Where do you see that this is a blatant advertisement?? I seriously doubt that Sal, the owner of Bob Sands, (or any of the guys in his shop) has any time to put up any self-serving posts to drum up business. This is the same guy busting his butt, getting on the horn, informing folks that stop into his shop, to get guys together (i.e. organizing bus rides of fisherman to go to Sacramento) to fight the closures that might keep you from fishing certain areas up and down the coast. I'm sure you've gotten an earful of that by now, or maybe not if you aren't concerned with the SoCal fishery?? Don't know if you fish the salt or not, but it concerns you too, or should...the same folks screaming for closures down might start honing in on your precious freshwater haunts up north. This guy is doing you a favor...

As for the "advertising", hardly... I doubt that a Mike Long seminar would be held at someone's house, but by your logic that's okay for XYZ Tackle Shop to host it and that wouldn't be considered self-serving or advertising. As for interests of all fisherman, this would definitely be something along that line. This is a FISHING TACKLE SWAPMEET at a FISHING TACKLE SHOP's parking lot. Don't know if you've ever been to one, but we ALL benefit by having access to other fishermen, our great stories, contacts, swapping of information, as well as shots at some great deals on used gear?? This is not for the benefit of Bob Sands, who took over this swapmeet as a result of Fisherman's Spot (another SoCal FISHING tackle store) that dropped it since they went to an all fly tackle fishing store and asked Sal to take over due to it's popularity with local FISHERMEN. Who benefits most, the fishermen who attend or Sal and other employees of Bob Sands whom you seem to be pointing your finger at?? We're out ther looking for deals on used gear... I seriously doubt there sales inside are booming as a result of fishermen looking for cheap deals?!

Instead of being so quick to accuse, maybe you should get informed and stop slamming people who try to drop some good info or opportunity at getting some good info. Granted, you can do with this site what you want, you're obviously choosing your words without any solid backing... Grow up Mr. Swimbait, nobody's trying to do any harm to your little site...

Guess I've only got 7 hours left...

Tight lines...
Tony

p.s. By the way, I'm not an employee at Bob Sand's, nor am I associated with them in any way other than an occasional visit to the shop to see what's new. I've met and bought a couple of reels from Sal and from all the folks I've talked with and seen up front, he's a nice guy and great fisherman to boot and he gives a damn about the water you fish...

I don't know anything about Bob Sands. I don't know who owns Bob Sands, and I don't know anyone who works there. I don't know anything about this tackle swap meet, nor should I have to know anything about it because what I am about to say isn't about Bob Sands tackle store or this swap meet. LET ME MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THIS POST IS GOING TO BE ABOUT WHAT THE DEAL IS CONCERNING ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM.

If you have followed this site for long enough you will realize that I tolerate a certain amount of advertising posts, within reason. I do this for people who are regular contributors to the site in a fishing sense, and for people that I know personally. That's my perrogative and I never let it get TASTELESS. I hope you can see how if someone had emailed me and told me about this tackle swap meet and what it was about, then this would be a whole different story. What GETS ME PISSED OFF is when I go to check the forums and I see THE SAME POST on multiple boards from someone THAT HAS NEVER POSTED BEFORE who is ADVERTISING FOR SOME PRODUCT, SERVICE, OR WHATEVER ELSE.

If I wanted my website to be a vehicle for advertising, I WOULD MAKE AN ADVERTISING BOARD.

If you're looking for a place to advertise, I can recommend a few links:

http://www.ncbf.com/cgi-bin/forumb/foruma.cgi

http://www.sport-fish-info.com/dcforum/cgibin/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=adboard&conf=advertise


If you don't like this, then feel free to go somewhere else. It's posts and threads like this that make me wonder why I pay money out of my own pocket for this thing. I get a big fat ZERO dollars from running calfishing.com. I don't even break even, I pay every cent of the hosting bill out of my own pocket. I do it because I love to fish and I love to talk fishing. I don't put up with BS like this because I've seen what it's done to other fishing forums, and it's not going to happen here.

I'll let this post fly so that everyone else can see what is going on and decide for themselves what they think about it. In the future if you post spam or advertisements on this site it will be deleted immediately and if you post it again I will block you from the site. There won't be any discussion about it.

And lastly, for you to inisnuate that I don't care about the MPLA is COMPLETELY BASELESS AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST.

Rob,
I am sorry for the headache this is causing. I, for one, am a big fan of this forum. I will not post anymore on behalf of BWW, not because of this malcontent, but because an advertising free-zone is definitely a rarity in the fishing community. This is refreshing, and to keep it that way is for everyones benefit. Anyone who has a question for me as a retailer, will get an answer, but I will not use this site to promote the business. Never meant to contribute to a problem, Chris.

Chris, don't sweat it. This has nothing to do with you or Bass World West. In the last few weeks there has been an increase in the number of posts that are questionable as far as advertising and spam. I tried to have some fun with the spam posts by taking a survey to decide whether they should be deleted or not. I think this rubbed people the wrong way on a couple of occasions, and in retrospect was probably not the best move on my part. It's hard to convey humor in the written word sometimes. I think what also leads to misunderstanding is that sometimes posts are deleted so fast that people never see them. If everyone saw every post that did get deleted, they would understand my point of view a little better because they would see all the people who show up out of the blue, post on every board, and then take off.

In any case, I appreciate that you are going to be more aware of posting ad type posts and I appreciate your participation in the site.

-Rob

We appreciate calfishing.com and the great job you're doing. I for one would hate to see it go away!
Ken A

Hmmmm…very clear where you stand about your idea of ADVERTISING…whatever way you choose to view or define it, it’s to your discretion, no argument there…it’s your site. Apparently FSHKILLR isn’t a good friend of yours otherwise his self-serving post would have been kept without issue, right? Anyhow, it’s also clear that you felt that he or some tackle store posted this message to make more money for themselves, still not sure why, but that’s clear. I’m glad though that you did decide to keep the posts up so that others could see and judge for themselves, what’s going on.

Like most here in this forum and others, we’re ALL looking for good information, whether that includes information on where we can get good deals related to fishing, the latest hot spots or just plain great information in general on anything FISHING RELATED. This is why we visit these sites, and often times go to more than one to get a good range of info. I thought that the particular post in question passed that check of passing along great information, without spamming a tackle shop in the process—an apparent pet peeve of yours. I attended that swap meet and don’t recall seeing any guy/girl walking around with a nametag labeled “FSHKILLR” soliciting my business, or anybody else’s for that matter, inside or outside the shop where it was held. Maybe the reason you saw the person’s post on other websites was because he/she thought this was useful info for ALL fishermen? Sorry his/her simple post was such a threat to your fear of advertising getting out of hand on your site and was a clear-cut case of spam. IMHO…you sound a bit paranoid. Now, my issue is that when I see someone getting rudely slammed for some childish plug-pulling game you want to play, you’re damn right I’m gonna speak up. That’s MY PERROGATIVE, and I exercise it as I see fit, whenever I choose to exercise it, on any site as long as the opportunity for that platform is permitted. Maybe this time, and because there have been similar cases like this on your site, especially on your perception of “spamming” vs. someone else’s, it finally got to me…and I spoke up. Don’t open up and try to run a message board if you’re gonna whine every time someone challenges your views or puts up a simple post to relate his/her view to you, that’s why it’s called a forum… If this is the worst that you’ve gotten or seen that you’re afraid of happening on your site, you really have no clue of how bad it can get. I have followed this site along with many other sites that serve a similar purpose—providing great info, whatever form it might be, for folks that like to fish. Just because I don’t post every day, doesn’t mean I’m not browsing and see what's going on. This particular issue is nothing in the scope of issues that exist for any message board. Your site is nothing new. That’s not saying it’s good or bad, just not new. And the issues you're afraid of have been covered well in many of the sites you visit and have gotten ideas from. I’m hardly trashing your site any more than simply reminding you to check yourself before you slam/accuse folks for something you can’t even support.

As for “my insinuation” that you don’t care about the MPLA, guess I’ll never know, but I can only hope that you do. Never said you didn’t nor did I try to prove it either way…I simply said that maybe it doesn’t concern you. Putting down one of our biggest proponents on the cause over what you called “advertising” certainly didn’t help show it. My main purpose for bringing this up was to point out that while you’re slamming a guy and/or his shop for something he probably has nothing to do with this, understand that he’s on your side…whether or not he put up the post. These guys are more on your team than you give them credit to be, so maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to jump. Maybe the guy should have left the shop’s name off the post, who really cares…it was about a swap meet, free to fishermen to sell or just browse, buy, chat, whatever, but in any case for all fishermen that cared to attend…nothing more, nothing less.

Best of luck to you with your site. I mean that sincerely, despite our difference of opinions. You certainly don’t need to waste your time to “ban” me because I don’t spam, nor have you ever seen me try to push anyone, any place, or any product on this site, nor do I plan to do anything of that nature. I’m done with this post and don’t feel a need to continue the discussion or spend any more time on these boards—clearly an option you’ve given, and I will happily take.

Tight lines…
Tony

>I?m done with this post and don?t feel a need to continue the discussion or spend any more time on these boards

Bye Tony. Anyway, I'm sure most people who visit this site appreciate the lack of spamming and advertising. Whatever T-Rob wants to call it, that is spamming. The point of any swapmeet at any tackle store is to attract business. Despite what you might think, they don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. If the swapmeet was organized by Sal and held at some other parking lot, then perhaps it would be a different deal, but when tackle stores have events in their parking lot, 9 times out of 10 it's to attract business or introduce people to the shop. I think TRob is missing the point here; when someone shows up without contributing to the message board and posts one post which is promoting something, on every board, then leaves, it is called spam. Perhaps TRob is misinformed as far as what spam actually is, but that definitely falls into the category of shameless self promoting spam. As for just good buddies of the moderator being able to advertise, that's ridiculous, and just attacking the guy that lets you gather information on this website. I think you should re-read rob's post. The rules on advertising are- there is none. No advertising on this website. We'll pick on Chris since he happened to post the Mike Long seminar thing at the perfect time ;-). Chris has been around for awhile and has contributed and posted a couple reports. Had Chris posted something like "90% off of everything at BWW for a limited time only..." it probably would've gotten deleted.

Again, these things like swapmeets and seminars are to gather business. Seminars so offer more information to anglers, and could be thought of as more beneficial than a swapmeet, but we'll call them even as far as ways to gather business. As is apparent, you could go either way on this issue as far as is it spam or isn't it (on both of these issues, swapmeet and seminar). Since chris is a regular contributor here, rob let it slide as a perk for chris contributing. Since the bob sand's guy has never posted here and then all of a sudden posted on every single board (which is very annoying, btw) rob got rid of it. I don't see why you have a problem with this whole thing, it's really not that tough. If you think this message board should just be a free for all, post any self promoting advertising you want type of thing, then you're going to be disappointed. Nobody's forcing you to read this website. If you want to know about swapmeets, special deals, 90% off sales at bass world west, etc. then you'll have to go somewhere else. Rob chooses to keep this message board strictly information on fishing. Fishing reports, fishing questions, fishing observations, etc. For the borderline spam/not spam, if the person contributes here and it's apparent that he's not trying to sell something to benefit himself and is truely posting because he thinks it will benefit other people, then it'll stay. If there's a question about any of that, then it will go. I held my tongue long enough, but it's my PEROGATIVE to keep this board how it is.
-Brian

Hey Brian, thanks for treating me with kid gloves..LOL..

lol, just messin with ya ;-)

We haven't had a good slugfest on this board in quite some time. Actually I've never seen someone as irate as you are T Rob. Seems like people like you generally like to mouth off on the more public boards like NCBF and Allcoast. Very sorry that you decided to come over here. Since you don't seem to like what's going on here, why don't you just go away? Then we can all get back to fishin.

later

-Rob

I have been reading this forum for some months, as well as some others. Recently the issue of advertising has come up in several of the forums and it brought out some very emotional exchanges between the members. It would be unfortunate to lose the potential contributions that these members ( and board admins) could make by getting angry and leaving. I personally believe that when tempers flare it is not the right time to be sitting at the keyboard. When the bite picks up (fish bite that is) there will be fish tales to tell and all of this non-productive chit-chat will be forgotten.

yeah, what you said.