Thanks PB. Tried all of the above. Jigs, brush hawgs, craws, cranks,DS worms of all colors, spinnerbaits, swimbaits. Good grief! I have been fishing there for several years and have never seen it like this in the fall. I see a lot of people fishing vertically with DS, but no one is doing much. Lots of bait fish on the graph in deep water, surrounded with echos of larger fish, but can't get them to take.