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Bassin | Mon Oct-24-11 06:55 AM |
Member since Feb 18th 2003
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#18282, "Alabama Rig anyone?"
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Or should I say," California Rig"? To make this bait legal here in CA it would have some alterations. But I can see this being very effective on a certain spotted bass lake right now. :) To fish is to live!
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RE: Alabama Rig anyone?,
Nico,
Oct 24th 2011, #1
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swimbait,
Oct 24th 2011, #2
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ICSpots,
Oct 24th 2011, #3
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newmoonbite,
Oct 26th 2011, #6
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swimbait,
Oct 26th 2011, #7
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newmoonbite,
Oct 27th 2011, #8
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newmoonbite,
Oct 31st 2011, #9
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swimbait,
Oct 31st 2011, #10
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Sacto John,
Nov 01st 2011, #11
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Nico,
Nov 01st 2011, #12
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Sacto John,
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Nico,
Nov 01st 2011, #14
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Sacto John,
Nov 01st 2011, #15
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newmoonbite,
Nov 01st 2011, #16
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Nico,
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Matt Peters,
Nov 02nd 2011, #18
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Matt Peters,
Nov 02nd 2011, #19
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newmoonbite,
Nov 02nd 2011, #23
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Matt Peters,
Nov 03rd 2011, #24
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swimbait,
Nov 02nd 2011, #20
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Sacto John,
Nov 02nd 2011, #21
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ICSpots,
Nov 02nd 2011, #22
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swimbait,
Oct 24th 2011, #4
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SWMB8R,
Oct 24th 2011, #5
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Lake,
Nov 03rd 2011, #25
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Sacto John,
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newmoonbite | Wed Oct-26-11 01:52 PM |
Member since Dec 17th 2003
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#18288, "RE: Alabama Rig anyone?"
In response to Reply # 2
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>Somewhere, Jerry Rago is laughing.
NO, somewhere he is crying, but working hard to bring you his California version, The Rago BaitBall, fully rigged with mini's.
Just as Nico said, 3 baits with hooks and two without. A lure is only a lure if it has a hook, otherwise it's a decoy, so i've been told.;)
I'll post pictures as soon I get the O.K.
Also, I can see this thing killing at those giant spot lakes.
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newmoonbite | Thu Oct-27-11 09:18 AM |
Member since Dec 17th 2003
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#18290, "RE: Alabama Rig anyone?"
In response to Reply # 7
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>Love to see the pics. Is Jerry sad because the 'secret' is >out on castable umbrella rigs or because he didn't try selling >them sooner? > >As similar as this Alabama rig is to an umbrella rig, you have >to give some credit to the guy who invented it because it puts >the baits on the wires with no leaders and it's castable. >Could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing those two features >on any rig ever before. > >I hope TW gets some kinda rig in stock pretty soon. I want a >triple hookup on striper this fall at the Delta.
Yes, because the "secret" is out and Yes, because he didn't try selling them sooner. He never want to sell castable ones because he is not much of a caster.
I give ALL the credit to the guy in Alabama, but Jerry says when he was with Osprey, Steve Harner built a castable version very similar to the Alabama rig, no leaders. Jerry wouldn't let him sell it, so now he is trying to play catch up.
Stripers?? What about a triple on bass at Clear Lake, or Bullards? YES???
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newmoonbite | Mon Oct-31-11 02:39 PM |
Member since Dec 17th 2003
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#18291, "RE: Alabama Rig anyone?"
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Matt Peters | Wed Nov-02-11 11:28 AM |
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#18300, "RE: Alabama Rig anyone?"
In response to Reply # 16
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First off, the Rig ain't no joke. I don't care California or not, you guys better get into this Rig. I guarantee you this rig will catch them good in CA and will be winning $ in short order. 3 baits or 5 baits and/or teasers, it's likely gonna be 'case by case' basis depending on tournament directors and tournaments and states, so just be ready and flexible.
Rafael, Jerry's rig looks killer, I'm just confused about what he expects to put BEHIND a trout head? What are the baits he's stringing up? I can see stringing up 3 weedless 6" Hudds for example, because they won't foul, can run extremely close together, and offer a good rigging with the line tie on the nose of the bait (vs. the top hook style). I don't know what of Jerry's baits he suggests fishing behind that rig? To me, its the baits that are fished BEHIND the RIG that is most important. Baitfish don't chase a larger predator fish. Trout swim in small schools, I'm just curious about a 'castable' rig that involved 3 or more BIGBAITs...that might require some super heavy artillery to lob. Trolling, the sky is the limit with size and rigging. Casting and castable only. I think a mistake of the rigs I'm seeing guys create is too big a 'head' on the thing. Make it compliment the bait ball thing, not contradict it, with the bait chasing a teaser head that could eat them.
The Alabama Rig out this way (stuck on Kentucky Lake trying to get a lower unit replaced), is about creating a small bait ball. 5 baits, 10 vortexes and buddy, let me tell you the fish will eat this rig. Don't get all bubbah biased, stupid Southern fish do this and do that. Kentucky Lake is TOUGH fishing, don't get confused it was NOT some slug fest. Not easy out there, and this rig caught fish no other bait could..suspended fish with millions of natural baits to eat at their hearts content. My buddy Casey Martin, the CoAngler Champion at Guntersville, said Paul Elias was like, dude, he couldn't catch the fish he won the Tour Event with on a deep crank, blade, spoon, nothin else....only the Rig. Catching otherwise uncatchables. G'ville is as pressured as anywhere, if not more...no it isn't gin clear water, but CA isn't gin clear. Probably not a great rig for Lake Dixon, but a killer on El Capitan, I bet.
I'd embrace this, not fight it or snicker at it. This thing will catch fish that you otherwise won't catch. 10 vortexes, 5 baits, and a new presentation at the surface or sunk out somewhere slow rolled deep. They eat it off the wire, its crazy, and its fished on braid! I'm hearing how they are catching them, everywhere in the country on it, guys who sent buddies a rig to fish in TX or Georgia or wherever. Tournament rules and state DFG rules will be reacting to shape the future here, but just from a pure fish catching conversation, holy smokes, get into it.
http://www.calfishing.com/dc/user_files/8843-Hammer-Alabama-rig.jpg
southernswimbait.com BigBait Fishing in the South Attachment
#1, (.jpg file)
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Matt Peters | Thu Nov-03-11 07:49 AM |
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#18306, "RE: Alabama Rig anyone?"
In response to Reply # 23
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Rafael: No, its not that big, it's just that the trout head on Jerry's rigs makes it appeal to throwing multi-bigbaits, creating a school of trout vs. creating a school of baitfish (2" threadfins is about the size of the bait they are eating on the TN River right now) at first glance. Now, the head and color on the rig you show with the baitfish/shad, absolutely, sign me up, I know it will work. I still am in the mindset its the 3-6 baits (saw a rig with 6 baits on it yesterday at the Cabin in Kuttawa), is most critical and important. The head is just to mask whatever you are using for a line tie and how you have your wires twisted and mashed together. A good 'head' in my opinion would be another bait, or spinner, or combination of skirt + spinner....a teaser looking thing, infront of the ball of bait, vs. a full blown larger baitfish. I'm seeing some rigs with no head whatsoever, just a large crimp or sleeve to hold all the wires together and serve as a foundation for a line tie.
Jerry is sitting on a wealth of information about trolling and umbrella rigs and rigging, but I don't know to what extent any of this has been used in the field---CASTING umbrella rigs. I know I'd love to hear what Jerry has to say about umbrella rigs, and certainly as they relate to bigbaits, but as soon as the conversation goes to TROLLING, most of us lose interest quickly because that is outlawed the world over in tournament fishing. Trolling, I'd love to get into it as a trophy hunter, but castable is what most of us care to adapt and focus around. My head has been spinning about throwing multiple 8" Hudds or 6" Hudds and hardbaits too. Multirigs will undergo scrutiny in the coming months from the tournament perspective, but my mindset is like hey, where ever or whenever they are legal, you better be able to adjust. Also, fishing 2 baits simultaneously is clearly accepted everywhere. Defining baits vs. teasers and leveraging spinners and skirts, etc etc etc is what I'm talking about. So, if you can fish with 2 baits that have hooks in CA, and the rest of your rig be spinners, teasers and/or hookless swimbaits, there has to be a position (ie, the longest, trailing 2 baits with hooks) that gets bit more regularly or ways to better your odds based on where you put the baits with hooks in your rig. Colors, sizes, etc all variables too.
The sky is the limit with multirigs, deep or shallow and what baits get put on the rig, and what adaptations you can make to make it 'legal' from a tournament perspective. And of course the bigbait implications and multibait rigs.
Here is a 'double' from official practice on Kentucky Lake, on a home made version of the Alabama Rig. Notice, I had a 5" Hammer in the center, and 3 of the 3" Hammers as the outside wires on the rig. The fish both ate the smaller baits. Much to my chagrin, the Alabama Rig people showed up and sold 400 baits to the ENTIRE FIELD at the Everstart Championship. So, after working tirelessly to make my own and paying ridiculous overnight shipping fees and overpriced baits in short supply fees, the entire field got a chance to buy up to 3 rigs, at $25 list price each, after the tournament meeting!!!. I've never had a manufacturer show up and outfit the entire field with the bait of the day (rigs in this case), and it mattered. I bet 50% of the Top 20 didn't own a rig until that very moment. Everyplace I fished on Day 1 and the first part of Day 2 (lost my lower unit around 10am), both the Pro and Co were lobbing the rigs around. I was fishing in Kentucky, so 5 way rigs were raining in Kentucky. The event was won with the Rig, and it is an interesting look at tournament swimbait fishing because as the event progressed, and the field got cut down, the bite for the Rig and the 5 baits got better for the guys still out there. Not to mention the wind and weather let up, allowing a more run&gun style of fishing. Day 1 was a nightmare of wind and rain. Day 2 slightly better and so on... Less boats and more access and ability to run to places like dam walls, bridge pilings, rip rap points, marinas breakwalls, etc, just classic swimbait spots. (ie, Jim Tutt). Dan Moorehead had 19 pounds the last day with only 9 other boats to compete with. Dan is from Paducah, and believe me he knows where they live. His Prilosec boat and truck at KenLake ramp 3 of the days I was there in practice = fishing the North end. Kentucky Lake is supposed to get won down near New Johnsonville this time of year, but since it was TN water only 3 baits were legal, and the North End has the quality to win and the Rig provided the means to catch the uncatchables, it all came together. Dan has been throwing the Rig for months and knew what time it was well in advance of Paul Elias and the Tour Event on G'ville. I attempted to start Day 1 on the Kentucky Dam, only to have 2 other tournament boats outrun me there (earlier flights) both of whom fishing the Rig right on the sweet spots. That was how my event started. It ended with a blown lower unit 40 miles from takeoff on Day 2. You only needed 12+ pounds a day to make the Top 20 cut. I had 11-11 the first day and was right there. Day 1 I couldn't run around much due to horrible wind. Day 2, my lower unit put me behind the 8 ball at 10am. I knew I had trouble brewing, but I was 50 miles from takeoff. Tried to baby it, but it was doomed. I had 10 spots I didn't even get to run to in the tournament. 2 weeks for pre-practice down the tubes. Fudge. Tournament fishing, just have to roll with the punches sometimes, and 2011 has been a bunch of that for me!
http://www.calfishing.com/dc/user_files/8857-big-hammer-alabama-rig-peters.jpg
southernswimbait.com BigBait Fishing in the South Attachment
#1, (.jpg file)
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