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dball | Wed Apr-30-03 12:42 PM |
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#9617, "Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?"
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I don't know if any of you have seen the news regarding recent studies on fish and the ability for fish to feel pain. The studies that I saw on Yahoo concluded that fish do feel pain. Other studies referenced in the article conclude that fish lack the portions of the neocortex necessary to recognize pain stimuli.
At any rate, maybe its just because I went to Berkeley, but a part of me wants to do what I can to minimize harm to fish. I thought about my recent surf fishing adventures, in which I release 99% of my fish caught. I realized that I've never tried to use barbless hooks.
Does anybody use barbless hooks when fishing in the surf, either for halibut or for perch? Or, does anybody file off the barbs on their hooks? I've never done it when fishing saltwater, but the idea just occurred to me, and I was curious if anyone else does it or has tried it? ** tight lines make all my troubles go away **
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RE: Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?,
Hawgsticker,
Apr 30th 2003, #1
RE: Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?,
brian,
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swimbait,
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brian,
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swimbait,
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brian,
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swimbait,
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brian,
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swimbait,
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swimbait,
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brian,
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Grom85,
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salmonoid 1,
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dball,
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salmonoid 1,
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Wade,
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Riffly,
May 01st 2003, #15
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onelove4u,
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Hawgsticker | Wed Apr-30-03 01:31 PM |
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#9618, "RE: Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?"
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The research that was done used bee venom and some sort of acid to make this determination. What a crock. There is a huge difference between hooking a fish and injecting their lips with bee venom. Here fishy, fishy, fishy......
Clay
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brian | Wed Apr-30-03 02:08 PM |
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#9619, "RE: Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?"
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Yeah, that could be one of the most ridiculous, biased, irrelevant studies in the history of the world...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907199.asp?0si=
Somebody please explain to me how acid injected into a fish's lips is equivalent to a barbless salmon egg hook. They used trout in this experiment by the way, which as we know are not the hardiest fish to begin with. The fact that the trout were even able to survive after that ordeal is a testament in itself. Might've been a better idea to test a FISH HOOK in the fish's mouth to see how they react. Hmmm, could I be the only one to think of this??? Dollars to donuts they tried it and didn't get the desired results.
I bet I could even explain why, off the top of my head. The tested fish have a frickin thing lodged in their lip! Of course they're gonna get pissed off until it's out of their face. Hardly comparable to a 30 second piercing.
The whole argument is not even worth arguing in the first place it's so stupid and extreme. I just get pissed off that the media and public give it the credibility that they do. Fish are designed for eating gnarly things. Using bass as an example, they can and do eat crawdads, spiny bluegill, snakes, lizards, etc etc etc. The only difference between chomping a bluegill or crawdad and a 3/0 gammie is the stress involved in the fight, not the pain. Stupid stupid stupid. This kind of stuff makes me want to strangle somebody at msnbc for even taking it seriously. Gawd, once you see PETA's name in anything you can read between the lines.....
Sorry to take away from the original topic, my only concern with barbless hooks in the surf would be losing fish in the waves and stuff. You generally have to keep constant pressure with a barbless hook and that might be tough in the surging waves and what not. I think if you just go with a light wire hook you'll be fine. The fish are gonna be fine and dandy 95% of the time anyway. -Brian
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brian | Wed Apr-30-03 02:51 PM |
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#9623, "RE: Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?"
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Ok, listen here sonny.
I think you gotta define pain first of all. I'm defining it as the human characteristic of disabling discomfort, I think we all know the feeling of pain, so I won't explain it in depth. Fish do not have the neurological system, or the brain power to experience pain like we do. Not even a fraction of it. I do think that fish know when something isn't right, or something is happening that's going to prevent them from functioning (eating, reproducing, keep living...) and that's what they're reacting to. People like PETA, and extreme radical environmentalists like rob want to use the word 'pain', but it doesn't apply. People and fish have two COMPLETELY different anatomies, brain functions, nerve systems, chemical balances, etc etc. Fish probably experience feelings that we don't even have words for. The closest thing to pain that fish are able to comprehend is that something is imminently wrong and needs to be fixed asap so that they can go back to eating and reproducing. -Brian
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dball | Wed Apr-30-03 06:19 PM |
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#9631, "RE: Fish feel pain & barbless hooks in the surf?"
In response to Reply # 13
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Right on party people, maybe I should post a poll: Who else uses live trout for bait? or Do fish have feelings?
Yeah, I'm not too concerned with whether a fish that I catch feels a lot of pain or not, but the article did make me think about minimizing the damage hooks do. So thats why I wondered if anyone had tried using barbless hooks in saltwater. Didn't get too many responses on that.
I think bottom line is that fish aren't too smart, because if those hooks really hurt them, they'd learn pretty quick not to eat the crap we're throwing at them; they'd associate pain with the lure. But instead, I think they are more concerned about putting food in their mouths than they are about hooks or about getting their feelings hurt ;-) ** tight lines make all my troubles go away **
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